2x (2nd Time) Only in Repeats

[Sherry C]

Hi Ralph,

Originally Posted by rrayner

Thank you, Sherry. Perhaps you know this already, but the workaround did nothing for playing within Composer. The choir stayed silent throughout. The midi version was what I am looking for.

Yeah, but this way you get it in Composer AND the MIDI export

I did not experience the measure 16 puzzlement you mention in midi.

But for your purposes, did the method I mention give you the desired result? That is the question. If so, then all is well. If not, then more to be done....

ttfn,
Sherry

[dj]

Hi, guys:

The attached version of Ruffo's Lament works for me in both .not and .mid format.

The problem lay in that there were a couple of superfluous "Volume 1" events in the muted tracks that negated the raising of the volume level at the repeat. I used the eraser tool to scrub over the low volume areas and make sure there were no extra events there.

I also made sure that the volume down events were in the middle of the "silent" bar 1, and then that the volume raise events happened in the middle of the 1st ending bar. That way nothing will get skipped.

Hope that helps.

David

[rrayner]

Originally Posted by dj

The attached version of Ruffo's Lament works for me in both .not and .mid format. David

Thanks, David. I responded to Sherry's reply before I saw yours was there.

Your version works very well, but when playing it back in Composer, the choir goes silent in measure 17. Not so in the midi, where all choir measures play as intended.

I am embarrassed to say that you are way over my head in your descriptions of events, and I don't understand all of what you say, but I will continue to try. I wouldn't know where to start to try to scrub an event. Time to dig into Mark's and Sherry's wondrous User's Guide.

Note to Sherry: Searching for "eraser tool" in the online UG yields no results -- should it?

Ralph

[dj]

Hi, Ralph:

I didn't notice that first time -- I was listening to the beginning of the repeat. Yeah, we lose the three brass instruments when it comes back around to bar 17.

However, the .mid file is correct -- and correctly notated when loaded into Composer, which means that Composer "sees" the notes in bar 17 when it saves the .mid file, but somehow misses "seeing" them when it plays back.

I played with adding a new bar to the second ending (as a new bar 18) and pasting bar 17 into it, then setting the endings to two bar endings, but it still mutes the brass at the new bar 18, even though the volume is up at that point.

I then, starting with a fresh load-up of the file, tried deleting the 1st ending symbol and suddenly bar 17 plays as it should on the repeat, meaning that the spurious muting has something to do with the ending symbol (or rather its coding underneath).

At this point, I pass the question to those with more experience than I.

David

[Sherry C]

Hi guys,

I did what David did, only slightly different method (I just set the entire region to volume 1 as detailed previously).
The exported .mid playback is perfect.
I also get correct playback with Composer up til the repeated m17 where the choir instruments drop out for some reason.

If that is exactly what you guys are seeing on your setups then I'll write up a task for that, but given that this is a "fool ya" type of setup it won't get as high a priority as, say, the internal synth to beat the Windows 10 sound issue

Ralph, the eraser tool is in the Graph Over Notes palette, next-to-last on the right of the tools (next to the "96" button).

ttfn,
Sherry

[dj]

Hi, Sherry:

I get the same result you do.

I don't know what to call it, but it does appear to have eight legs.

David

[rrayner]

Originally Posted by Sherry C

If that is exactly what you guys are seeing on your setups then I'll write up a task for that, but given that this is a "fool ya" type of setup it won't get as high a priority as, say, the internal synth to beat the Windows 10 sound issue

Precisely what I see also. Understood about the priority.

Originally Posted by Sherry C

Ralph, the eraser tool is in the Graph Over Notes palette, next-to-last on the right of the tools (next to the "96" button).

Sorry for being vague, Sherry. My point was that the User's Guide search returned no hits for "eraser tool", and wondered if it should be added to whatever list a search goes through.

And, my point for David should have been, "What did you see that needed to be erased?" I don't know where under the covers you were seeing the extra events. I didn't see anything out of the normal.

Thanks!

Ralph

[rrayner]

Hi Sherry,

I should let you know that this has become a non-issue for "Ruffo's Lament". I have had to eliminate the repeats for other reasons.

Ralph

[rrayner]

Originally Posted by Sherry C

Yeah, but this way you get it in Composer AND the MIDI export
But for your purposes, did the method I mention give you the desired result? That is the question. If so, then all is well. If not, then more to be done....Sherry

Hi Sherry,

Well, the midi did work and the visual in Composer worked, however the audio did not work in Composer -- the choir remained silent throughout. Thank you.

Ralph

[dj]

Hi, Ralph:

See my post just above your latest post. I think that will solve your dilemma.

David